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		<title>By: Scott H. Young&#8217;s MIT Challenge &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.scotthyoung.com/blog/2010/02/24/self-education-failings/comment-page-1/#comment-1223476</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H. Young&#8217;s MIT Challenge &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my apologies on my first post I ment to say does NOT need (first sentence)
Thanks 

Jay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my apologies on my first post I ment to say does NOT need (first sentence)<br />
Thanks </p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.scotthyoung.com/blog/2010/02/24/self-education-failings/comment-page-1/#comment-437522</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 05:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems many are threatened by the idea that there are those in this world that does need the &quot;formal direction&quot; to guide their education. Take Ben Franklin for instance who had a formal education from age 8 to 10. While I was majoring in philosophy many students in my class were asked why are they in college most said &quot;to get a degree&quot; only one replied &quot;to get an education&quot;. When those exact same students were asked about their &quot;education&quot; they quite shockingly replied &quot;I just want that piece of paper&quot; (look out world). I believe that self taught individuals realy have a love of learning and its sad that society refuses to reconize this type education and those who are motivated enough to go after it...but then again we have an education sysyem that adhears to a set of standarized testing which in my opinion &quot;waters down&quot; the quality of education that we recieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems many are threatened by the idea that there are those in this world that does need the &#8220;formal direction&#8221; to guide their education. Take Ben Franklin for instance who had a formal education from age 8 to 10. While I was majoring in philosophy many students in my class were asked why are they in college most said &#8220;to get a degree&#8221; only one replied &#8220;to get an education&#8221;. When those exact same students were asked about their &#8220;education&#8221; they quite shockingly replied &#8220;I just want that piece of paper&#8221; (look out world). I believe that self taught individuals realy have a love of learning and its sad that society refuses to reconize this type education and those who are motivated enough to go after it&#8230;but then again we have an education sysyem that adhears to a set of standarized testing which in my opinion &#8220;waters down&#8221; the quality of education that we recieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Shea</title>
		<link>http://www.scotthyoung.com/blog/2010/02/24/self-education-failings/comment-page-1/#comment-399939</link>
		<dc:creator>Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimately, all learning is &quot;self-directed&quot;. Professors and teachers and mentors - study groups and learning partners - books, school curriculum and the web are really all just resources we can either use well or use poorly. 
I agree that a classroom setting will tend to benefit learners who need the added expectations and discipline, but it is just as easy for others to zone-out in a classroom and walk away without any real learning.
I don&#039;t see how the learning skills needed to &quot;self-educate&quot; are any different than any other approaches to education. The self-educator needs to realize that sitting alone in a room ripping through books, while good and essential, is never enough. There must be an application of the knowledge - a problem to solve with it, a project to complete, another person to teach and mentor and even one to be taught and mentored. Question, gather, reflect, deploy and engage.
Knowledge needs full circulation through our systems to become education - otherwise it is just a pool of stagnant gunk in a the corner of our brains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimately, all learning is &#8220;self-directed&#8221;. Professors and teachers and mentors &#8211; study groups and learning partners &#8211; books, school curriculum and the web are really all just resources we can either use well or use poorly.<br />
I agree that a classroom setting will tend to benefit learners who need the added expectations and discipline, but it is just as easy for others to zone-out in a classroom and walk away without any real learning.<br />
I don&#8217;t see how the learning skills needed to &#8220;self-educate&#8221; are any different than any other approaches to education. The self-educator needs to realize that sitting alone in a room ripping through books, while good and essential, is never enough. There must be an application of the knowledge &#8211; a problem to solve with it, a project to complete, another person to teach and mentor and even one to be taught and mentored. Question, gather, reflect, deploy and engage.<br />
Knowledge needs full circulation through our systems to become education &#8211; otherwise it is just a pool of stagnant gunk in a the corner of our brains.</p>
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		<title>By: College To Careers</title>
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		<dc:creator>College To Careers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only recently completed school and it has suddenly sunken in that I have absolutely no idea of the career path i&#039;m going to choose. I have always been a &quot;straight A&quot; student, but now that i&#039;ve experienced a few months in the reality, I feel that I have been focusing too much on unrealistic goals. I may need to seek out some kind of career planning or something of that nature to guide me in the right direction. Is there anyone that has been in the same boat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only recently completed school and it has suddenly sunken in that I have absolutely no idea of the career path i&#8217;m going to choose. I have always been a &#8220;straight A&#8221; student, but now that i&#8217;ve experienced a few months in the reality, I feel that I have been focusing too much on unrealistic goals. I may need to seek out some kind of career planning or something of that nature to guide me in the right direction. Is there anyone that has been in the same boat?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice interesting post. I&#039;m mostly self-educated on subjects I care about and I can see where your coming from. I&#039;m studying in university currently and I can see a deeper type of knowledge emerging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice interesting post. I&#8217;m mostly self-educated on subjects I care about and I can see where your coming from. I&#8217;m studying in university currently and I can see a deeper type of knowledge emerging.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I graduated high school, I was not one of the fortunate ones whose parents had provided for any further education. I had to do this myself. I was determined and ambitious to get a college degree, even after feeling &quot;stuck&quot; overseas as a military dependent. I lot of hard work entailed over 3 years, working part-time and taking night courses, finally achieving an AA in computer studies. The pell grant at the time helped a lot. That was a great experience, learning in a somewhat formal setting from professors who really knew the subject matter well. And, btw, yes those computer languages are old now (although some old systems ar still kicking them around) but learning those languages helped out immensely for future understanding about the basic mechanics of any code we right out in a logical sense.

I came back to the United States, fully wanting to continue my education and obtain a Bachelor&#039;s Degree. I immediately enrolled in what is considered a very reputable university in the area. Between the cost (no help from anyone or gov now), getting foreign &quot;professors&quot; who were trying to teach an english-based computer programming language yet could not SPEAK english well, lack of professor availability to explain further calculus questions, etc. needless to say, this all left a bad taste in my mouth of what it really means to go to &quot;Big University&quot;. I paid too much money to risk that experience again.

Needless to say, I landed myself in a data clerk position ironically at an ivy league college, where my bosses believed in my talents and skills, AND SO DID I. They encouraged me to take professional courses (outside the university) targeting subjects I was truly interested in (SQL, Java, HTML, CSS, etc.) but would obviously help me obtain my professional goals. These courses furthered my skills to the point where I became a Senior Programmer/Analyst in 6 years (had to move up the ranks, which is not a bad thing). Not having a bachelor&#039;s degree is not critical as long as your willing to take the time to take these courses and learn the necessary material. I did learn a lot on my spare time. A side note....I resent the fact that there are so many people out there claiming to be web designers and programmers when they haven&#039;t even heard of w3c standards or think Dreamweaver is the end-all to website design (scary!). Take a course! Learn it the right way! It&#039;s not difficult material, but how it&#039;s implemented is very important.

Knowing how the US is so tightly integrated with &quot;making money&quot;, I wonder if our college institutions are just big business these days. I feel our young people are brainwashed into thinking that they won&#039;t be successful without a college degree. I am proof that this is not the case. Some formal education from the experts is obviously beneficial, but one doesn&#039;t need a full-blown college degree in some cases to achieve success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I graduated high school, I was not one of the fortunate ones whose parents had provided for any further education. I had to do this myself. I was determined and ambitious to get a college degree, even after feeling &#8220;stuck&#8221; overseas as a military dependent. I lot of hard work entailed over 3 years, working part-time and taking night courses, finally achieving an AA in computer studies. The pell grant at the time helped a lot. That was a great experience, learning in a somewhat formal setting from professors who really knew the subject matter well. And, btw, yes those computer languages are old now (although some old systems ar still kicking them around) but learning those languages helped out immensely for future understanding about the basic mechanics of any code we right out in a logical sense.</p>
<p>I came back to the United States, fully wanting to continue my education and obtain a Bachelor&#8217;s Degree. I immediately enrolled in what is considered a very reputable university in the area. Between the cost (no help from anyone or gov now), getting foreign &#8220;professors&#8221; who were trying to teach an english-based computer programming language yet could not SPEAK english well, lack of professor availability to explain further calculus questions, etc. needless to say, this all left a bad taste in my mouth of what it really means to go to &#8220;Big University&#8221;. I paid too much money to risk that experience again.</p>
<p>Needless to say, I landed myself in a data clerk position ironically at an ivy league college, where my bosses believed in my talents and skills, AND SO DID I. They encouraged me to take professional courses (outside the university) targeting subjects I was truly interested in (SQL, Java, HTML, CSS, etc.) but would obviously help me obtain my professional goals. These courses furthered my skills to the point where I became a Senior Programmer/Analyst in 6 years (had to move up the ranks, which is not a bad thing). Not having a bachelor&#8217;s degree is not critical as long as your willing to take the time to take these courses and learn the necessary material. I did learn a lot on my spare time. A side note&#8230;.I resent the fact that there are so many people out there claiming to be web designers and programmers when they haven&#8217;t even heard of w3c standards or think Dreamweaver is the end-all to website design (scary!). Take a course! Learn it the right way! It&#8217;s not difficult material, but how it&#8217;s implemented is very important.</p>
<p>Knowing how the US is so tightly integrated with &#8220;making money&#8221;, I wonder if our college institutions are just big business these days. I feel our young people are brainwashed into thinking that they won&#8217;t be successful without a college degree. I am proof that this is not the case. Some formal education from the experts is obviously beneficial, but one doesn&#8217;t need a full-blown college degree in some cases to achieve success.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much formal schooling.

What is formal schooling? 

For the Gaul of America, Quebec, in formal schooling all courses are determined for you. Until CÉGEP. That is formal schooling to me. A clear path that leads you to a choice you are unprepared for.  Unleast you are a &quot;loner&quot;, rejecting for X reason the mainstream. 

We also know that teachers have mandatory directions for students. If you see the definition and axiom given as true then learners have no 
option in the current system.

And the question is how much time of this kind of education we need? In the spirit of liberty, I say the question is do we need formal education? (What are those 20% of school that makes it worth it?) 

Those good students, why are they so few? Everyone does go to the same school. Then perhaps school is not what makes them good. 

What does formal education do? give to is students? 

To my knowlegde, school gives a place you must be. It gives structure and diligence to the part of your time that you renounce to control. It also makes you meet accountable people with passion. Of course there are other students with which you can escape boredom or if you are lucky have a purposeful adventure. 

If that&#039;s it, then what? Peter Gray, research professor of psychology and writer of the textbook Psychology, has a great idea on his blog. 

It sums up to: Have the accountable and passionate people on diverse subjects in one place and make that place easy of access to everyone. 
( http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn? - did not find the specific article)

Then there is Sudbury Valley school. That is not formal schooling nor self-education. It is unconventional schooling. Recently I left formal schooling to join an informal school and I can say that it feels great to have time to seek the answer every single time I ponder: Why?

Henceforth, no. Formal schooling needed time: 0. 

If it tickles you, you should answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much formal schooling.</p>
<p>What is formal schooling? </p>
<p>For the Gaul of America, Quebec, in formal schooling all courses are determined for you. Until CÉGEP. That is formal schooling to me. A clear path that leads you to a choice you are unprepared for.  Unleast you are a &#8220;loner&#8221;, rejecting for X reason the mainstream. </p>
<p>We also know that teachers have mandatory directions for students. If you see the definition and axiom given as true then learners have no<br />
option in the current system.</p>
<p>And the question is how much time of this kind of education we need? In the spirit of liberty, I say the question is do we need formal education? (What are those 20% of school that makes it worth it?) </p>
<p>Those good students, why are they so few? Everyone does go to the same school. Then perhaps school is not what makes them good. </p>
<p>What does formal education do? give to is students? </p>
<p>To my knowlegde, school gives a place you must be. It gives structure and diligence to the part of your time that you renounce to control. It also makes you meet accountable people with passion. Of course there are other students with which you can escape boredom or if you are lucky have a purposeful adventure. </p>
<p>If that&#8217;s it, then what? Peter Gray, research professor of psychology and writer of the textbook Psychology, has a great idea on his blog. </p>
<p>It sums up to: Have the accountable and passionate people on diverse subjects in one place and make that place easy of access to everyone.<br />
( <a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn?" rel="nofollow">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn?</a> &#8211; did not find the specific article)</p>
<p>Then there is Sudbury Valley school. That is not formal schooling nor self-education. It is unconventional schooling. Recently I left formal schooling to join an informal school and I can say that it feels great to have time to seek the answer every single time I ponder: Why?</p>
<p>Henceforth, no. Formal schooling needed time: 0. </p>
<p>If it tickles you, you should answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Casnocha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Casnocha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. The question is how much formal schooling you need to do. Self-educating from age 7 onwards is obviously a disaster. But there are diminishing returns at some point.</description>
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		<title>By: Why Self-Educated Learners Often Come Up Short&#160;&#124;&#160;nothing to see here</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Self-Educated Learners Often Come Up Short&#160;&#124;&#160;nothing to see here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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